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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 534 the 16th of December

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2018 richardsaunders here with you from

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the Bay Area San Francisco over here

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visiting family and friends for

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Christmas time nice and chilly cold here

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in San Francisco a bit of rain about

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that's nice for a change certainly good

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to get away from the heat and humidity

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of Sydney for a little while but I

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noticed as I'm recording this a

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supercell is lashing Sydney with fierce

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storms and winds and rains and things

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like that well I hope the skeptic zone

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cats are hiding under the bed coming up

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on this week's show a grain of salt with

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a rancic ever the return of a grain of

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salt this week Ranchettes to Eid violet

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and from me that yummy that is an

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Israeli organization that concerns

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itself with good public health and

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fighting pseudoscience and other

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nonsense such as the anti-vaxxer out in

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Israel an interesting interview where we

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find out how me that promote good health

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especially through things like

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government legislation good health

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policy in Israel and a lesson to us all

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around the world following that it's the

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last the last in the long series of

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interviews in fact eight weeks worth of

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interviews from Maine odd at the

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Australian skeptics national convention

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skeptic on this week may not interviews

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dr. Ian Musgrave a quick word with dr.

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Brad McKay and Kate Brown who was the

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the emcee for the event and hats off to

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Maynard Wow what an effort he put in

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during skeptic on there was never a

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moment where he wasn't running around

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interviewing people and eight weeks

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worth of interviews here on the sceptic

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zone that's quite an accomplishment then

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we have a report from the New South

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Wales health care Complaints Commission

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and this comes from their website about

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the risks involved in listening to anti

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vaccination proponents the crowd the mob

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the rabble's we like to call them and

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some very very good advice in this in

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this section then to round off the show

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I guess more in our season of silly

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season more in our series of silly

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season stories and reports this week

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Maynard and I had the skeptic zones

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Christmas party well sort of that was

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just involved me going around a visit

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Maynard in his in the Sydney annex

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Studios a Sydney studio and you know the

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main had International Studios annex

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which is in Sydney and we just goof

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around have a bit of fun and we look at

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a website devoted to angry people or

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people looking angry in local newspapers

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and this was prompted by a story of a

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woman who's divorcing her ghost husband

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yeah a bit of light-hearted

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end-of-the-year nonsense with Maynard

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before we get stuck into this week's

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show however a quick point from last

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week we mentioned I was chatting to

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Tricia NAT skeptics in the pub when we

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mentioned the teacher's pet podcast and

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we may have given the impression that it

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was the podcast that led to further

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developments in the case and the arrest

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of the main suspect where in reality it

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was more that there was more information

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uncovered by the podcast and more

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pressure was brought to bear by the

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podcast but the actual nitty-gritty of

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investigation and new information and

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new leads really came down to a good

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old-fashioned police work and in fact I

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noticed that the police were well

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underway in preparing a new case to

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bring against the the main suspect

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independent of the podcast but I think

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it's fair to say that there's new

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information and I think more people have

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been prompted to come forward to the

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police with new information

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owing to the podcast but I we can't we

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can't ignore and we should give full

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credit to the hard-working police

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hold in that case and it's a case that

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has gripped Australia it's fascinating

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the podcast you will recall is called

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the teacher's pet and revolves around

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the suspected murder 37 years ago of

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Lynne Dawson here in Sydney stay tuned

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at the end of the episode for more

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announcements from me but now it's time

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for me to run upstairs and as it's very

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early it's what is it it's it so it's 6

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a.m. here in California have a cup of

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American coffee whatever that means

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while you enjoy the skeptic zone

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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he's around second I have with me on the

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line at Val Lewton advised the managing

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director of an Israeli not

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not-for-profit named madad madad loosely

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means informed advice skeptic zone thank

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you hello

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the reason I wanted to speak to you is

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because my dad's is heavily involved in

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the vaccination debate in Israel and

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there's a specific instance a specific

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occurrence that has happened recently

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that I wanted to speak to you about and

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it all starts with a young girl who has

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died from measles can you tell us a

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little bit about that story yes we're

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talking about one year old infant in an

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ultra-orthodox Jewish community in

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Jerusalem she contracted measles and

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died with background diseases and she

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was the first death after we had about

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1400 Missal cases in Israel now this was

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about a month ago and as of today we

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have over 2,300 cases of measles in

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Israel so measles today in Israel is a

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serious outbreak overall in Israel we

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have a very good vaccination rate of

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measles but we have pockets of

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unvaccinated air populations a lot of

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them in Jerusalem but also in other

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places in Israel for various reasons and

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since measles is such a highly

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contagious disease it spreads and it

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spreads very very rapidly and we are

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very concerned well let's put put the

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the death of this child in the epidemic

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in general aside for a moment and just

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discuss what my dad is was formed to do

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and what what do you do in your daily

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activities so my dad was established

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four years ago and we're acting in

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general fields of Public Health with

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vaccination is one of them but we also

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get involved in other fields for example

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dental health care and stopping smoking

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and tobacco use which today is a big

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very big concern vaccination is a big

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part of what we do and we started in

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this field five years ago there was

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polio here in Israel the government

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vaccinating all the kids from 1 to 9

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years old the public in Israel was very

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concerned because the group of

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anti-vaxxers here in Israel used this

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opportunity to start spreading

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disinformation and frightened parents so

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we started acting in the social media to

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help parents and give them answers and

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well when this operation of polio

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vaccination was over we looked around

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and we realized that we still have a lot

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of work to do measles was one thing we

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social media activity we have a very big

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group in Facebook and we also have very

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big website concerning explanations the

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most concise website that handles this

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in Hebrew in Israel we also give

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lectures and we go to schools and teach

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and educate not only about vaccinations

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but also in terms of how to find and how

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to read information that regards your

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health because as you probably know if

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you open the web these days or open a

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newspaper or open the television there's

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a lot of misinformation a lot of fake

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news and people need help just to know

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what is true what is not and what to be

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concerned about public health is

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everything that concerns the health of

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the entire society we do not deal with

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about with your doctor if it concerns

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your health specifically but we try to

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help the public get better information

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comes to things that concern the whole

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vaccinations is very is very large part

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of it being such an important part of

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public health but also things like the

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environment and should I be concerned

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about cellphones radiation or should I

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be concerned about Wi-Fi radiation I can

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tell you not really

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perusing the Israeli newspapers is that

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mobile in particular has in the recent

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past been a huge deal in Israel is that

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isn't that the case it is and people are

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still very concerned but what we try to

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do in me dad is look at what the medical

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scientific research tells us and there

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are areas where you don't have enough

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good science to tell you what is good

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and what is bad for example in in areas

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of nutrition there is still a lot of

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foggy areas and things that you can't

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really say you should eat this and you

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should not eat that but there are things

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sound consensus for example we know that

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moderate physical activity is very good

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for your health so this is something

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that we can say and be sure that what we

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we try to do in all areas and if we go

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back to the Wi-Fi or cellular radiation

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question it's true that a lot of people

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are concerned today the science tells us

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there is no proven risk in using

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cellphone and when people say that you

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should use caution anyway and what we

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tell them is it's always good to be

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cautious you should also consider pros

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and cons of avoiding something so I go

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back to vaccination if some a parent

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tells us that he would rather be

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cautious and not give it vaccines to

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such a small child this is a case where

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being cautious is not a good thing you

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might put your kid in danger because not

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vaccinating them when they're young

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leaves them exposed to dangerous

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diseases so since we are we're back on

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the topic of vaccinations which

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the main main topic of interest for us I

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want to go back to this little girl that

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has died due to her death or maybe even

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before her death because of the outbreak

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of measles in Israel there's been quite

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an outcry and there's been some even

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some legislative action isn't that the

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case that's true I think that we can go

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back to the - this summer the measles

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outbreak which started around March made

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a lot of people very concerned and you

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could see a shift in the public view and

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the way the newspaper referred to this

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question of vaccinations which was quite

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unusual to what we see here in Israel

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now we in me death act for quite a while

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with journalists in the media in general

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in trying to affect them to be more

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responsible in the way that they report

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about public health issues for example

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measles don't bring an empty vector to

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say that the Missal vaccination is

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dangerous which is not of course and we

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were very pleased to see that it was in

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fact a change in the way that the media

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a reports public health and this summer

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it became very very pronounced I think

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it was one of the things that helped us

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get the message across the country needs

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to do something to prevent if not this

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outbreak then the next outbreak we're

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working with to a parliament members and

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we were trying to build with them a bill

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that will not be too harsh that will not

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violate the rights of the children

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themselves but will neither the less

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make the vaccination rate in Israel

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higher most of the parents that avoid

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vaccination or vaccinate late don't do

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that because they oppose vaccine or

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because there are anti-vaxxers but they

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are what we call or what the World

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Health Organization calls vaccine

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hesitancy the vaccine hesitancy is

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something that is white

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widespread people hear a lot of various

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information and they are getting very

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sometimes very afraid they can't find

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the information that they need to make

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an informed decision and we think the

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government should make a focused effort

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to make sure every parents get the

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information that they need in order to

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make the right decision

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another thing me that puts a lot of its

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resources into giving out information

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about vaccines within the government to

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do that they can probably do it in a

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bigger and more widespread way than we

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can and we're certain that it's very

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needed today in Israel vaccination is an

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opt-in choice you need to go to a

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typical of you need to decide and choose

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to do this activity and vaccinate your

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child we want to make it an opt-out

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decision the vaccination will still be

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done in tipat halav but the parents that

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choose not to vaccinate their children

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will be invited to come to sort of a

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conference that will tell them about the

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dangers of not vaccinating they will be

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asked to sign a sort of declaration that

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says that they understand and accept the

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consequences of their decision and a

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parent that will refuse to come and sign

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this declaration will be fined a sum of

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something like 2,000 shekels a year this

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will mean we believe only a very small

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fragment of people that do not vaccinate

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today will still not vaccinate after

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this bill will come to effect because

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you need to choose this and you need to

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accept the price both economic price and

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a social price of not vaccinated okay so

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this is the bill it's clearly quite

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comprehensive and well thought out what

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is it that what is the status of the

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bill right now hello went through the

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first vote there are in fact four votes

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in the legislation process the first

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vote was unanimous

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there were 115 a parliament members this

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day and they all voted for the bill and

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now the next step is it goes to a Health

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Committee in the Parliament where they

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will discuss the bill and the various

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aspects of it for example anything that

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has to do with with money it will need

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budget for specific parts of it and

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after that the bill will undergoes and

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the relevant changes and will go on

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another vote how confident are you that

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the bill would go through it become law

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I think I'm quite confident I think that

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it's sad to say that but fact that we

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have a very large epidemic of measles at

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the moment makes it very clear why this

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this kind of bill is necessary as it

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happens in many other countries in the

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world these days and I'm quite confident

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that it will go through the only problem

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is as always the politics the government

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in Israel is showing signs that it might

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fall and if that happens the process

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might stop and we will have to restart

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it when the next government is elected

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so in terms of so my next question was

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going to be about when you think this

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bill might become law and clearly that's

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not very clear it's not clear and I

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think it would be very foolish of me to

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try and and say something about that

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yeah okay so we started with a sad story

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of this little girl who has died so I

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want to I want to discuss two things

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with relation to that first of all the

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the kind of effect it has had on the

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public perception of measles and of the

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public perception of vaccines I think

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that it first it was something that felt

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quite theoretic to a lot of people

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people hear about measles cases they

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don't see them around them and they

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since they don't know this disease they

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don't even know what you expected they

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hear people moly

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and he was saying that this is a very

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simple and not a very dangerous disease

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a childhood disease it sounds very cute

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but the more we hear about terrible

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cases like this child dies from measles

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or we had a case last week of a chain

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year-old which is now in the ICU with

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the encephalitis which is a complication

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of measles and we get the warnings that

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there was a person with measles on the

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bus going across Israel and if you were

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on any of those buses you should go and

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get a vaccine people just start to

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realize this is true danger and what we

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also see this past few months is more

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and more parents

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that's demand in privates in the gardens

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that only vaccinated kids will go into

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this into this educational into the

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kindergarten this is something we never

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saw before it's a private initiative and

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we see more and more of it which i think

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is another aspect of what we see when

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with the measles outbreak this logo in

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particular was from an ultra-orthodox

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Jewish community are there any other

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communities that are particularly

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susceptible to being anti vaccine there

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is also a very large community of I

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would say New Age which are also anti

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vaccine and I think that today you see a

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lot of highly educated that are against

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the establishment and science

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establishment or medical establishment

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is is also taking something that you

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should oppose and I think most of the

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anti-vaxxers in Israel come from that

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community which is not a specific

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geographical community but a more

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widespread and was there any shift that

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you're witnessing in those communities

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based on the current outbreak and the

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again the death of a child I think that

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the people that were somewhere in in the

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middle the vaccine hesitancy that were

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more opposed to vaccine and now they

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stop and they think and they reconsider

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we say this every day and we see

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people coming to our Facebook groups and

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say okay I didn't vaccinate my kids to

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anything but now I'm a little bit

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concerned could you please give me

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information regarding these things that

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I'm concerned about and people actually

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change their minds there is a very nice

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project that we've been doing for the

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past few years it's called what's up dog

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we arranged groups of parents from

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specific schools or places in Israel and

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we give them an hour chat with a couple

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of our volunteer volunteer doctors to

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give them answers to their questions and

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concerns and you see more and more

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parents that ask to join those chats and

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get this information

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they're coming willingly and they want

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us to help them change their minds you

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clear you're having an impact you're

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becoming more well known what are the

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what are you plans for the future I

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really hope that this bill will come

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through and help us make an impact in

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the area of vaccination as I was

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mentioning before we want to help make a

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difference in the area of stopping

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smoking and tobacco use the rise of

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electronic cigarettes these days is

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something that we were very concerned

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about and we really hope to to make any

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impact in this area area as well

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valeton thank you very much for being on

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the skeptics down thank you let's all

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take this with a grain of salt is around

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ticket you know I gotta say Bigfoot's BS

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but the chupacabra is totally the result

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of top-secret government genetic

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experiments on a remote island taken

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medical advice for mcguinnis Paltrow

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like steaming your lady parts and

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putting Jade X all up in there is a

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great way to improve your health

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police from around the world regularly

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used psychics to solve crimes they just

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don't talk about it spontaneous human

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combustion is for sure a real thing I've

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read all about it on the Internet and I

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worry someday it's going to happen to me

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we all have friends and family who

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believe these things and much more well

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if you're a rational thinker who is

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tired of arguing on social media and

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never getting anywhere we have a

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distance okay now of course there are

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many awards given away at the dinner at

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this year's skeptics 2018 convention and

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I'm here with one of the first Award

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winners last night what is your name and

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what did you win and more importantly

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why did you in it okay my name's Ian

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Musgrove I'm a senior lecturer in

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pharmacology from the University of

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Adelaide I won the fournette Award for

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reason which as if I can remember the

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the plaque

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correctly is for using science

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communication to better connect with the

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community and my and make available to

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people understanding of controversial

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issues which may not be adequately dealt

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with in in the in the general media for

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example within within the past few years

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I've developed dealt with toxins in

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vaccines whether or not squishy toys are

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bad for you and caffeine will it make us

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live forever so these are all things

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where in the general media there's

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either a big scare glyphosate or there's

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a big promotion like drinking coffee

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will make you live longer where there

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are issues that need to be explored

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where people either panic or excessively

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use them again glyphosate people are

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panicking about putting weed killers on

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their weeds in their gardens or eating

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food that's been produced commercially

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because it might have price quote

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residues on them on the other hand

550
00:26:08,849 --> 00:26:07,570
people are for example drinking lots of

551
00:26:11,249 --> 00:26:08,859
coffee under the oppression that's going

552
00:26:14,190 --> 00:26:11,259
to be fantastic for them even though it

553
00:26:15,389 --> 00:26:14,200
actually will be reasonably okay there's

554
00:26:18,510 --> 00:26:15,399
good evidence that there's a link

555
00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:18,520
between coffee consumption and

556
00:26:23,770 --> 00:26:21,500
all cause mortality for example but

557
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:23,780
these things getting get exaggerated

558
00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:25,940
like my father-in-law when it was heard

559
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:27,500
that really heard that red wine could be

560
00:26:31,270 --> 00:26:29,510
potentially good for you decided that

561
00:26:34,450 --> 00:26:31,280
drinking lots of red wine would be

562
00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:34,460
making even better whereas the truth is

563
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,180
not that you know it's it's being able

564
00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:41,360
to get across the subtleties of these

565
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:43,820
issues in a way that people can

566
00:26:52,990 --> 00:26:48,590
understand and trying to use examples

567
00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:53,000
which are clear and and every time as a

568
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:56,990
scientist we we're guilty of always

569
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:01,120
going yes but yes but there's always a

570
00:27:08,980 --> 00:27:05,210
caveat and this could possibly happen

571
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:08,990
for the general public but they find it

572
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:10,370
very hard to deal with the kinds of

573
00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:13,970
scientific uncertainty that we deal with

574
00:27:17,050 --> 00:27:15,920
all the time so it's a white what we

575
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:17,060
need to do is to try to get things

576
00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:19,910
across clearly try and understand both

577
00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:22,280
benefit and risk in the context of

578
00:27:26,620 --> 00:27:25,040
people's lives to me I think the fact

579
00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:26,630
that I've been awarded this award and

580
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:29,320
suggests that

581
00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:31,790
people are recognizing Don mostly

582
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:33,920
getting up like the 100% sometimes I get

583
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:37,760
it wrong I'm cut human are for all given

584
00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:39,890
that people who have come before and the

585
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,380
impact these people have had this is an

586
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:44,480
incredible honor for me to be recognized

587
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:49,010
in this way and so it energizes me to

588
00:27:52,810 --> 00:27:51,170
keep on going and trying to find better

589
00:27:54,340 --> 00:27:52,820
ways to communicate and one of the

590
00:27:55,660 --> 00:27:54,350
things about this conference is

591
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,670
listening to the other speakers and

592
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,720
seeing how they're going about

593
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,360
communicating things and how I can

594
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:02,000
improve my approach not just in

595
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:03,170
communicating science to the general

596
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:05,090
public public but also in my teaching

597
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:07,010
practice and a range of other ways I

598
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:09,950
interact with both the public and my

599
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:12,920
students and my colleagues to do things

600
00:28:17,620 --> 00:28:15,770
better but thank you for talking to us

601
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:17,630
about this congratulations once again

602
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:18,950
and in coming here and showing this

603
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:20,570
weekend for us thank you thank you very

604
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:22,220
much for making this possible for me

605
00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:23,960
it's been such a fantastic experience

606
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:27,320
for me not just the honor of the of

607
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:29,450
getting the award but the able to meet

608
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:32,150
all these fantastic people and learn so

609
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:34,100
much and learn so much thank you very

610
00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:37,070
much oh now we're moving to what I like

611
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:39,020
to refer to an effect even george arab

612
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:41,450
would probably refer to as the twilight

613
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:43,070
of the conference this is where it's in

614
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:45,320
the last half hour the last speakers on

615
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:46,760
in this case the side babes on stage

616
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:48,260
right now ripping up with the audience

617
00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:49,970
she's going really well and everyone's

618
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:51,800
thinking about going some people have

619
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:53,090
left already the host has only got a

620
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:54,620
little bit more to do Kate Brown's just

621
00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:56,120
relaxing over there and she's gonna be

622
00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:57,860
on stage fairly soon and they're going

623
00:29:00,850 --> 00:28:59,300
to announce what's happening next year

624
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:00,860
with the conference and there's going to

625
00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:02,690
be the final address by lethea Dean to

626
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,550
everybody as the president and then it's

627
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:06,080
all over and for someone like me who's

628
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:07,520
been working constantly for the last

629
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,410
three days just interviewing people let

630
00:29:12,490 --> 00:29:10,640
alone all the people that have been

631
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:12,500
organizing this conference all year from

632
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:15,200
the skeptics it's a bit of a it's a

633
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:16,610
relief but it's a bit of a sad thing

634
00:29:21,550 --> 00:29:18,830
just all over and it's the longest time

635
00:29:22,930 --> 00:29:21,560
between now and the next one so George

636
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:22,940
eyes gets a bit sad because he always

637
00:29:28,090 --> 00:29:24,770
works really hard and I know George is

638
00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:28,100
over it QED at the moment having a lot

639
00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:29,870
of fun over there actually George is

640
00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:30,980
probably having a great time George

641
00:29:34,450 --> 00:29:32,180
wrapped Follette having a great time in

642
00:29:37,060 --> 00:29:34,460
the UK because he's not hosting and he's

643
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:37,070
performing his broad street suite and

644
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:38,840
doing all sorts of things over there so

645
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:40,400
put on your George and I was look I was

646
00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:41,570
thinking about last night

647
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,950
hosting that denim because let me tell

648
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:45,679
you I hey there as they said that may

649
00:29:49,779 --> 00:29:47,330
not he was no Arab there was no guitar

650
00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:49,789
there's no making up songs there's no

651
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:50,929
running around the audience there was

652
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:53,320
just a trombone making this noise oh

653
00:29:56,889 --> 00:29:54,529
dear

654
00:29:58,690 --> 00:29:56,899
anyway the twilight of the conference

655
00:30:01,719 --> 00:29:58,700
almost finished the only person I

656
00:30:03,249 --> 00:30:01,729
haven't spoken to is Alice from skeptic

657
00:30:05,859 --> 00:30:03,259
to the K just once or twice I think my

658
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:05,869
suit scared but we're hoping to catch

659
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:07,190
her before she goes we'll see what

660
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:10,609
happens that's a wrap for skeptic on

661
00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:13,190
2018 dr. Brad buddy think at your wall

662
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:14,840
finished you can swear now as much as

663
00:30:19,659 --> 00:30:17,090
you like I think a supporting John quite

664
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,669
a bit of swearing but yeah oh no I'm

665
00:30:23,859 --> 00:30:22,159
lost for words what was your favorite I

666
00:30:25,089 --> 00:30:23,869
mean I was a big fan Trish because I

667
00:30:27,339 --> 00:30:25,099
hadn't seen her present before it was a

668
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:27,349
pretty wild presentation look I'm with

669
00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:29,330
you a Trish brought the house down

670
00:30:35,109 --> 00:30:32,119
I loved it I'll never think of kinder

671
00:30:38,349 --> 00:30:35,119
eggs in the same way I thought it was

672
00:30:41,139 --> 00:30:38,359
awesome Evette was amazing late

673
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:41,149
yesterday late Mary was amazing Kirsten

674
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:44,450
Banks was amazing oh yeah dr. Brad

675
00:30:47,409 --> 00:30:46,070
Kate's been Bell bowled over by the

676
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:47,419
whole thing here you've been doing some

677
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:48,950
quiet behind-the-scenes stuff as well as

678
00:30:51,339 --> 00:30:50,090
getting out there and doing the fashion

679
00:30:53,169 --> 00:30:51,349
parade for the doctor world

680
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,179
yeah we've been seeing all the questions

681
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,039
coming through and putting them out to

682
00:30:58,269 --> 00:30:56,960
the speaker's the weirdest one you got

683
00:31:03,099 --> 00:30:58,279
there must have been some neckbeard who

684
00:31:05,589 --> 00:31:03,109
asked a real weird stuff there's a more

685
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,599
point that was not quite right we had

686
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:07,279
quite a few questions that looked a

687
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:10,879
little bit more like comments those do

688
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:13,340
tend to come through quite a few

689
00:31:17,289 --> 00:31:15,080
intelligent comments and questions

690
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:17,299
coming in anyways alright so what's it

691
00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:19,129
like being backstage here for so it's a

692
00:31:21,879 --> 00:31:20,299
bit like being at headquarters for the

693
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:21,889
weekend isn't it really it's like being

694
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:55,470
[Applause]

695
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,580
hey Richard oh hi Trish hi would you

696
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:00,399
like a coffee

697
00:32:04,169 --> 00:32:02,289
yeah thanks what are you working on I'm

698
00:32:06,409 --> 00:32:04,179
trying to come up with a new promo to

699
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:06,419
play on the sceptic zone who's it for

700
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,880
good thinking Society in the UK you know

701
00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:12,399
the oh yeah I know them the guys who

702
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:14,019
recently chased the homeopaths out of

703
00:32:18,060 --> 00:32:16,120
the UK public health system oh did they

704
00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:18,070
yeah they campaigned and lobbied

705
00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:19,240
government for a while and now you

706
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:22,389
cannot get homeopathy on the NHS so they

707
00:32:25,740 --> 00:32:23,740
can now spend public money on health

708
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:25,750
care that works Yeah right look I'll

709
00:32:32,639 --> 00:32:28,090
mention that in the promo now their

710
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:32,649
website is good thinking society org and

711
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:34,510
that website is a good resource for

712
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:36,970
learning more about quackery thanks

713
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:38,470
Trish that gives me something good to

714
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:54,850
[Music]

715
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:56,900
now here's something that was brought to

716
00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:59,340
my attention by Heidi Robertson from the

717
00:33:01,910 --> 00:33:01,290
Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

718
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,920
group

719
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:03,720
I need the raw skeptic one of our

720
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:06,450
reporters in this appears on the

721
00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:08,310
healthcare Complaints Commission website

722
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:11,280
page from the New South Wales Government

723
00:33:16,910 --> 00:33:14,670
data the 10th of December 2018 the

724
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:16,920
health care Complaints Commission acts

725
00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:19,620
to protect public health and safety by

726
00:33:29,010 --> 00:33:22,040
resolving investigating and prosecuting

727
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:32,100
public warning under Section 94 a of the

728
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:35,620
healthcare complaints Act of 1993

729
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:39,070
misleading and unsafe practices by anti

730
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:43,030
vaccination campaigners the New South

731
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:45,130
Wales healthcare Complaints Commission

732
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:47,140
has received multiple complaints

733
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:49,510
regarding misleading and unsafe

734
00:33:55,740 --> 00:33:52,660
practices by anti vaccination anti

735
00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:55,750
vaccine errs and the potential risks

736
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,870
that such persons and associations pose

737
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,080
to the public health and safety

738
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:04,240
immunization is a simple safe and

739
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:05,740
effective way of protecting people

740
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:07,780
against harmful diseases before they

741
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:10,210
come into contact with them immunization

742
00:34:14,430 --> 00:34:11,530
protects individuals and the community

743
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:14,440
by reducing the spread of preventable

744
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:16,899
diseases complaints have been received

745
00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:19,090
in relation to individuals including

746
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:21,389
registered and unregistered health

747
00:34:26,820 --> 00:34:23,800
practitioners may as well as academics

748
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:26,830
and organizations engaged in the

749
00:34:32,609 --> 00:34:29,580
widespread promotion of dangerous

750
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:32,619
anti-vaxxers why is this warning being

751
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:34,840
issued misleading and inaccurate

752
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:37,869
information communicated by anti vaccine

753
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:41,169
panners has the potential to engender

754
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:43,770
fear and alarm in the community and

755
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,530
result in fewer people being vaccinated

756
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:49,359
this information commonly quotes

757
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:51,280
scientific research and studies in

758
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:53,770
support of ant I've explained but is

759
00:35:00,300 --> 00:34:57,280
often selective including exaggeration

760
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:00,310
of the risks and minimizing or

761
00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:02,740
discrediting the benefits of vaccines

762
00:35:08,099 --> 00:35:05,980
the research presented does not align

763
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:08,109
with the true evidence base on which

764
00:35:12,270 --> 00:35:09,970
independent and government bodies

765
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:12,280
worldwide make vaccination

766
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:14,920
recommendations it is likely to have a

767
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:16,810
detrimental effect on the health care

768
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:18,850
decisions of individuals and may lead

769
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:21,490
them to make decisions not to vaccinate

770
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:24,550
which pose an unavoidable risk to their

771
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:26,470
own health and to the safety of the

772
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:29,230
wider community it is unfortunate that

773
00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:32,050
anti vaccine errs are also known to

774
00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:34,119
target particularly vulnerable members

775
00:35:37,650 --> 00:35:35,380
of the community including

776
00:35:39,330 --> 00:35:37,660
impressionable young parents who are

777
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:39,340
concerned about making the right health

778
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:42,040
decisions for their infants the spread

779
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,820
of misleading

780
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,680
and false information by anti-vaccine

781
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:47,440
--is presents an ongoing challenge for

782
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:49,570
government agencies particularly due to

783
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:52,570
the rise in use of social media and the

784
00:35:57,300 --> 00:35:54,750
proliferation of information concerning

785
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,310
vaccinations available via the Internet

786
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,940
given the continuing efforts of

787
00:36:05,010 --> 00:36:02,520
anti-vaxxers to mislead and misinform

788
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:05,020
members of the public the Commission

789
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:06,970
considers it necessary to warn all

790
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:08,770
health consumers of the dangers of

791
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:11,230
relying on information that is not from

792
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:13,270
a reliable and trusted source

793
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:15,820
this can include websites that appear to

794
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,190
be quote professional men quote and

795
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:20,560
groups that are well organized in their

796
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:23,470
approach some persons and associations

797
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,690
will go so far as to distance themselves

798
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:28,420
from anti-vaccine penis while

799
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,760
essentially promoting the same message

800
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,280
what should consumers do to protect

801
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:35,980
themselves the Commission strongly urges

802
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:38,680
consumers to exercise caution in relying

803
00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:40,840
on information concerning the safety and

804
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:43,660
efficacy of vaccinations which is

805
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:46,390
promoted via social media and websites

806
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:48,970
that are not government affiliated or

807
00:36:54,740 --> 00:36:51,490
endorsed further consumers should be

808
00:36:57,660 --> 00:36:54,750
cautious of persons or groups spreading

809
00:36:59,970 --> 00:36:57,670
anti-vaxxers via other means including

810
00:37:03,450 --> 00:36:59,980
face-to-face information sessions and

811
00:37:05,550 --> 00:37:03,460
other public events in all cases the

812
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:05,560
following factors should be considered

813
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,540
by consumers when presented with any

814
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:09,760
information or advice concerning the

815
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:12,900
safety and efficacy of vaccines and

816
00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:15,990
immunization programs in Australia and

817
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:20,080
as an aside I dare say this is

818
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:24,580
applicable worldwide we read on to

819
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:26,770
ensure that you are receiving reliable

820
00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:28,750
information concerning the safety and

821
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:31,420
efficacy of vaccinations and to assist

822
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:33,930
you in making an informed decision

823
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:36,370
concerning the benefits and risks of

824
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:38,890
particular vaccines it is recommended

825
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:41,110
that you consult a registered medical

826
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:44,950
practitioner for example your family GP

827
00:37:52,290 --> 00:37:48,400
or pediatrician and I'd like to make

828
00:37:55,590 --> 00:37:52,300
another aside here - that the weasel

829
00:37:56,529 --> 00:37:55,600
words you hear a lot now our healthcare

830
00:37:59,230 --> 00:37:56,539
profession

831
00:38:02,319 --> 00:37:59,240
if pain persists contact your healthcare

832
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:02,329
professional where it used to be if pain

833
00:38:08,859 --> 00:38:05,089
persists contact your doctor or

834
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:08,869
pharmacist so don't consult a homeopath

835
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:11,930
for example we read on health consumers

836
00:38:16,359 --> 00:38:14,000
should be particularly wary of persons

837
00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:16,369
claiming to be quote experts men quote

838
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:20,150
or have conducted quote research and

839
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:22,760
quote into the safety and efficacy of

840
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:25,640
vaccines or immunization programs in

841
00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:27,890
circumstances where they do not hold

842
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:30,740
relevant medical qualifications and are

843
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:32,710
not a registered health practitioner

844
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:35,630
consumers should be wary of persons

845
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:37,450
holding themselves out to hold

846
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:39,770
qualifications that cannot be verified

847
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:43,130
if you wish to ensure that the person

848
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,410
providing advice is a registered health

849
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,599
practitioner you should check the

850
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:49,520
National Register of health

851
00:38:56,349 --> 00:38:53,240
practitioners and there's a link to that

852
00:38:58,620 --> 00:38:56,359
included health professionals play a

853
00:39:01,870 --> 00:38:58,630
role in health education and

854
00:39:04,089 --> 00:39:01,880
administration of vaccines however it is

855
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:04,099
not appropriate for health professionals

856
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:06,470
to promote anti-vaxxers via their

857
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:09,230
personal social media pages or other

858
00:39:15,609 --> 00:39:12,170
online forums consumers should avoid

859
00:39:18,549 --> 00:39:15,619
placing reliance on quote comments and

860
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:18,559
quote made via social media that are not

861
00:39:23,019 --> 00:39:21,140
from a reliable and trusted source when

862
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:23,029
researching online it is recommended

863
00:39:26,319 --> 00:39:24,740
that you visit trusted government

864
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:26,329
websites including the New South Wales

865
00:39:30,609 --> 00:39:28,460
health and Commonwealth Department of

866
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,619
Health websites and also the National

867
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:32,480
Center for immunization surveillance and

868
00:39:38,319 --> 00:39:36,529
research NC IRS website which provide

869
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:38,329
reliable information concerning

870
00:39:46,570 --> 00:39:43,000
immunization and immunization programs

871
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:46,580
and that page appeared at the New South

872
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:48,380
Wales healthcare Complaints Commission

873
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:51,050
on the 10th of December and I'll link to

874
00:40:06,339 --> 00:39:53,470
that in this week's show notes

875
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,650
calling all skeptics or listeners the

876
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:12,240
you live end or near Glasgow are are you

877
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:14,609
planning to visit sometime then you're

878
00:40:20,359 --> 00:40:16,890
in luck because the Glasgow skeptics

879
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,369
have got your Monday nights sorted we

880
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:21,599
are committed to filling up every

881
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:24,330
available Monday night talks on science

882
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:27,030
and skepticism past speakers include

883
00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:29,190
Eugenie Scott Jerry Coyne Michael

884
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:31,619
Marshall Nate Phelps torment Cecil from

885
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,109
cognitive dissonance PZ Myers Richard

886
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:37,200
Wiseman EC drilling noah heath and eli

887
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,450
from the scathing atheist Simon Singh

888
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:42,480
Rebecca Watson and a multitude of local

889
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:45,390
academics and skeptics there's literally

890
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:47,730
nothing better you can do on a Monday in

891
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:48,450
class go

892
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:50,280
it doesn't involve taking your clothes

893
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,190
off so come join us we've also got a

894
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:55,440
vibrant online community you can find us

895
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:57,570
on Facebook Twitter and get involved

896
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:00,060
with the discussion class go skeptics

897
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:03,520
self-help for your brain

898
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,770
welcome to the annual skeptic zone

899
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:23,520
Christmas party an Easter bonnet parade

900
00:41:29,090 --> 00:41:27,060
who won I won again who because you

901
00:41:30,860 --> 00:41:29,100
never enter and besides we need someone

902
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,870
to play the marching music when I walk

903
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:32,160
around and I thought it was great the

904
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:33,810
the third man theme by her bow but I

905
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:35,700
marched around that was fantastic

906
00:41:59,760 --> 00:41:58,050
[Music]

907
00:42:01,140 --> 00:41:59,770
oh it doesn't get rid of that of course

908
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:01,150
you can hear a fan in the background

909
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:02,200
because listeners in the Northern

910
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:03,460
Hemisphere might like to know it's

911
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:04,300
summer here

912
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,010
that's our fan that's the skeptic zone

913
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:09,040
fan we've I had a great idea of putting

914
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:10,990
the flying at Pegasus Pig on one of the

915
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:12,970
fan blades and make it go around and

916
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:14,410
then I had a really stupid idea of going

917
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:15,730
oh what would it look like if I turned

918
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:17,740
the fan on high well it looks like a

919
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:20,050
broken plastic pig flying through the

920
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:21,550
air and smashing into one of your

921
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:22,870
paintings that's what it looks like I've

922
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:25,330
got the the the flying plastic figures

923
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:27,670
right here in the shake it see see it

924
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:31,330
yet normally in one place oh by the way

925
00:42:36,030 --> 00:42:33,970
the that little bit of the third man

926
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:36,040
theme you heard was courtesy of the

927
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:38,260
Tijuana taxi and you and I had a great

928
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:41,170
night just last week going out to the

929
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:43,270
Camelot lounge and Sydenham and enjoying

930
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:45,490
the Tijuana taxi I look look everyone in

931
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:46,750
Australia knows that Richard and I are

932
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,820
just mad for the herb herb Albert in the

933
00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:50,560
Tijuana brass and of course Tijuana taxi

934
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:53,230
give that up in spades on stage so a

935
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:54,640
great congratulations to teen if you

936
00:42:58,350 --> 00:42:56,110
want to know a bit more about to learn

937
00:42:59,730 --> 00:42:58,360
taxi at Maynard com that are you there

938
00:43:01,110 --> 00:42:59,740
is a great little interview I did with

939
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,120
Cena and put in a lot of her velvet

940
00:43:04,590 --> 00:43:02,800
tracks and she explained why she loves

941
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:04,600
serve mainly because she used to have

942
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:06,730
their records when she was a kid

943
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:09,160
Tina Harris is her name she's the band

944
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:11,860
leader of the Tijuana taxi and they give

945
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:13,900
a really great show it was fantastic it

946
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,850
was fun it was lively we had a couple of

947
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:17,440
champagnes it was a good night and as

948
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:19,960
you know III have allegedly at various

949
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:21,610
times in my life that being called

950
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:24,580
trombone a trombonist and but as you

951
00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:25,930
heard on the night that's someone who

952
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:27,340
can actually play the trombone is in

953
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:29,080
Tijuana taxi that was great bone blank

954
00:43:32,940 --> 00:43:31,390
it was indeed the whole band were great

955
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:32,950
anyway we're here at Maynard's

956
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:35,380
international annex studio annex is no

957
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:37,390
no it's may not international studios

958
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:40,050
annex get it right Richard Maynard's

959
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:43,060
international studios Sydney annex

960
00:43:47,970 --> 00:43:45,190
mmm that's right and we're here for the

961
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:47,980
annual skeptics Christmas party and

962
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:49,900
Easter bonnet parade which I won again

963
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:52,450
this year good I was coming as either

964
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:55,030
myself a fictional character or a drunk

965
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:56,380
English backpacker but it's the same

966
00:44:01,380 --> 00:43:59,410
outfit yes yes as another plane flies

967
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:01,390
overhead and you brought something this

968
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:03,160
now this is the silly season last week

969
00:44:07,830 --> 00:44:05,860
on the show I did a story about somebody

970
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:07,840
predicting earthquakes by the planetary

971
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:09,370
alignments I think of it you're you're

972
00:44:11,609 --> 00:44:09,940
in the

973
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:11,619
Meno news national studios annex here

974
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:14,710
it's always silly season except one day

975
00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:17,740
in July war that's the serious takers

976
00:44:23,339 --> 00:44:19,480
said we pay the rent that day

977
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:23,349
one day the rest of the year the rest of

978
00:44:27,539 --> 00:44:25,359
you you're running away from there and

979
00:44:29,970 --> 00:44:27,549
collectors ok you brought something to

980
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:29,980
my attention this is a fabulous webpage

981
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:31,930
in a facebook site which Iams

982
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:33,780
I can't believe I haven't found before

983
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:37,450
angry people in local newspapers it's

984
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,880
from the UK it was a website will whirl

985
00:44:43,049 --> 00:44:41,440
way before Facebook and they would

986
00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:43,059
basically just take the front page of

987
00:44:46,829 --> 00:44:45,039
any local newspaper in the UK and

988
00:44:48,359 --> 00:44:46,839
everyone's got it I don't care where you

989
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:48,369
could interesting in Poland hello

990
00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:50,470
everybody they're like glue Ensco what a

991
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:53,740
guy man he could dance every local paper

992
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:55,510
usually has something on the front page

993
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,970
of some people looking with an indignant

994
00:45:02,640 --> 00:44:59,680
look on their face sometimes with their

995
00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:02,650
arms crossed sometimes some - sometime

996
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:05,020
look at this arms crossed if we scroll

997
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:08,530
down well in didn't they're not having

998
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:09,609
that their arms crossed but they look

999
00:45:14,130 --> 00:45:12,010
sad they look grumpy and sad look even

1000
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:14,140
Santa Claus looks grumpy and sad Santa

1001
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:16,660
and his elves attacked by barefoot women

1002
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:19,270
woman over music and they do

1003
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:21,430
deliberately put up silly fake stories

1004
00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:23,380
from time to time but they have a thing

1005
00:45:27,539 --> 00:45:25,420
that says fakey corner is ivory in in

1006
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:27,549
bold type so if it doesn't say fake it

1007
00:45:32,849 --> 00:45:29,619
corner it is an actual story from an

1008
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:32,859
actual paper I mean I mean look at this

1009
00:45:40,289 --> 00:45:36,670
three guys all standing there not not

1010
00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:40,299
looking happy arms folded City residents

1011
00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:42,460
say homes have been hit by mini

1012
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:44,380
earthquake and as if they're gonna do

1013
00:45:48,809 --> 00:45:45,609
something about it and the guy on the

1014
00:45:50,279 --> 00:45:48,819
right looks like Ogden steers who was in

1015
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:50,289
mash he doesn't just look like a guy

1016
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:52,900
from massive fill-in vapeur can't get

1017
00:45:57,420 --> 00:45:55,180
the he became the the new Lester the

1018
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:57,430
Winchester they start Charles Emerson

1019
00:46:01,289 --> 00:45:59,410
Winchester the third that's right and

1020
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:01,299
it's actually not steers its tires or

1021
00:46:04,049 --> 00:46:02,770
something I heard someone announce a V

1022
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:04,059
dot this year

1023
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:05,770
Alan old or actually who said he's named

1024
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:07,569
and corrected someone so it's not steers

1025
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:09,369
you don't say it like that and here's

1026
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:11,890
the one that did you pump is this whole

1027
00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:18,520
segment Irish woman married now I can

1028
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:20,680
hardly read this one Irish woman married

1029
00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:23,650
to ghost splits from her 300 years

1030
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:26,740
old pirate Abbey and she look grumpy

1031
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:28,570
what Richard was trying to get out was

1032
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:30,190
the headlight in there which was Irish

1033
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:33,430
woman married to ghost comma splits from

1034
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:35,890
her 300 year old pirate husband there

1035
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:37,630
you go so we've got a lot going on here

1036
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:39,160
and in fact if there's any lawyers

1037
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:40,360
listening out there there could be a

1038
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:42,090
burgeoning industry to be had in

1039
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:45,730
afterlife divorce settlement since she

1040
00:46:50,490 --> 00:46:48,310
says her partner from the 1700s was

1041
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:50,500
executed for thieving on the high seas

1042
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:52,870
oh well so adultery would be no problem

1043
00:46:56,820 --> 00:46:54,490
to them let that be least of his

1044
00:46:59,490 --> 00:46:56,830
problems buzz it's it's very strange and

1045
00:47:01,470 --> 00:46:59,500
I have seen that woman actually I think

1046
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:01,480
she they might have spoken about it with

1047
00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:02,710
skeptic for the cake because Charisse

1048
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:04,600
goes on morning television in England

1049
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:06,550
and talks and talks about this in fact

1050
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:08,260
on the on that they've got all the

1051
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:09,760
psychic prediction on morning television

1052
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:12,490
this week with that headline psychic

1053
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:14,020
predictions are usually on morning

1054
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:15,700
television this time of the year here's

1055
00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:17,440
another one I'm freezing to death

1056
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:19,900
waiting for Council to fix my radiator

1057
00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:21,880
and there's a woman drugged up in a

1058
00:47:26,820 --> 00:47:25,540
towel or a bland problem in England with

1059
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:26,830
people being able to for their power

1060
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:29,950
bill and she kind of looks like she's

1061
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:31,240
having a laugh she doesn't look

1062
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:32,590
disgruntled enough and she certainly

1063
00:47:36,090 --> 00:47:33,880
doesn't look as if she's distressed

1064
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:36,100
enough and it almost looks like she's in

1065
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:37,540
a hotel room and that that's actually a

1066
00:47:41,610 --> 00:47:39,790
pretty ritzy kind of place she's in good

1067
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:41,620
baby she's almost got a smirk on her

1068
00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:43,660
face what about stories here about giant

1069
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:45,100
puddles in streets and of course

1070
00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:47,230
someone's standing in the puddle looking

1071
00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:48,820
grumpy because if there's one thing we

1072
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:50,200
know about local newspapers that they

1073
00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:51,850
always love running stories about its

1074
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:53,830
potholes so of course what happens when

1075
00:47:57,810 --> 00:47:56,380
it rains you get a puddle you have to

1076
00:48:00,090 --> 00:47:57,820
read this one I'm Lucy how would you

1077
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:00,100
can't read this one but the photo is

1078
00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:01,600
great I'll tell you what the photo is in

1079
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:05,080
a moment is a man relives moment seagull

1080
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,650
swooped and nicked his cheese straw now

1081
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:10,720
cheese straws are not something we have

1082
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:12,280
in Australia too much so it basically

1083
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:14,860
looks like you've got your chips as in

1084
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:16,210
fish and chips and they've been

1085
00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:18,730
deep-fried in in cheese there's a

1086
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,440
picture of a man looking happy enough

1087
00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:22,960
but the seagull looks grumpy and that

1088
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:25,750
seagull has high crimes and misdemeanors

1089
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:28,630
on his mind I can tell this is this is

1090
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:31,690
this is very intense Sun so it's angry

1091
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,550
people in local newspapers our link to

1092
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,960
it in this week's show notes and it's

1093
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just it's worth just for the gig

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but I love that the pirate the woman

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divorcing a pirate having good look it's

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a it's a website on sign just a a plin

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yeah yeah if people want to go to the I

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don't have to go to the Facebook site

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it's a P I Ln code not UK for the for

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the URL for the website yes that's right

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but my local was running this story and

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you've got it there Richard it's great

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00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:03,510
like there's no one disgruntled on that

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00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:06,530
front cover this this little little

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00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:08,670
magazine local newspaper isn't it that's

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right it's called the local yeah and in

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the Handy a five printed for less size

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yeah it says Santa seen over suburbs

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with a picture of Sandra and reindeers

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flying over Newcastle with an exclusive

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00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:23,280
interview like no one else was speaking

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00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,170
to him wid sander they were speaking to

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Santa himself and I like this fairly

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00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:31,440
ominous thing that sums up the whole

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season so this is with the interview

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with sand her and I am quoting Santa

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directly and I'm reading it from his

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00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:39,510
official document here this is what

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Santa was talking about all the boys and

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girls that have been good this year and

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they're hoping to get presents at

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00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:46,140
Christmas time this is what he says so

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00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:48,600
many of those boys and girls are put in

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a great effort both at school and home

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00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:53,670
this year find so far sounds fairly

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00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,310
positive doesn't it it would be a shame

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00:50:01,820 --> 00:49:58,800
he continues on to say it would be a

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shame if right at the end of the year we

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had to reconsider who's on the nice list

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so I don't know if Santa's been watching

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00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:10,200
any episodes of The Sopranos or anything

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00:50:15,740 --> 00:50:12,380
it's like hey you're on the nice list

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00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,750
pity if someone should lose that night

1134
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:18,180
what was your name again so I can't see

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00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:20,190
your name on no no you're not on the

1136
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:22,470
nice list pity that had to happen so

1137
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,350
close to Christmas it sounds like it's

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00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:27,000
gonna send the elves around well

1139
00:50:29,810 --> 00:50:28,470
possibly something like that there yes

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00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:29,820
so look it's been a great year on the

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00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,950
skipped exam when I think back over the

1142
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:34,140
year I really wish I had a real job but

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it's been great working with you

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00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:38,640
we should Thanks now lots of good fun

1145
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:39,390
this year

1146
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,770
lots of good interviews from Maine out

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00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:42,480
of course and lots more coming up in

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00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,270
2019 I'm sure but over at Maynard

1149
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:48,240
comdata you you have not been lazy

1150
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:49,800
there's lots of podcasts coming

1151
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:52,230
for Christmas isn't there yes there's 13

1152
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:53,910
different Christmas specials coming out

1153
00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:56,910
every day from now until Christmas I

1154
00:51:01,040 --> 00:50:58,580
guess cuz after that it's kind of a bit

1155
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:01,050
redundant penny laughing but I might I

1156
00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:02,430
should do it in July release all the

1157
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,900
Christmases in July sometime just to

1158
00:51:06,590 --> 00:51:05,460
really annoy people but yes all the

1159
00:51:07,940 --> 00:51:06,600
Christmas shows are coming out as well

1160
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,950
as a new one which I'm yet to mix

1161
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:09,240
because then when you hear them you can

1162
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:10,380
see why it takes so long to get them

1163
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:12,570
done and also what double J should sound

1164
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:16,020
like episode 232 I just recorded which I

1165
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:17,580
know we don't get into music too often

1166
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:19,710
here on the show but it's all music it's

1167
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:23,880
all music with mr. DJ DJ ADHD of course

1168
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:25,650
man he just keeps changing between the

1169
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,850
tracks really quickly I think that's how

1170
00:51:30,590 --> 00:51:28,380
I got that name in the first place but

1171
00:51:32,570 --> 00:51:30,600
you're doing that and don't go to what

1172
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:32,580
doubles I should sound like on the

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00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:35,910
Facebook group and show 232 or if you go

1174
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:37,470
to main and calm that I you they'll be a

1175
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:39,090
link to it they're on the very front

1176
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,740
page I think that's bad all I've got

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00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:42,660
really too and I'm gonna haven't got a

1178
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:45,240
gig to New Year's Eve use Eve your Giggy

1179
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:47,880
yep Sydney listeners main art is Giggy

1180
00:51:51,890 --> 00:51:49,250
on New Year's Eve where will you be

1181
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:51,900
juniors I think it's if this thing is

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00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:53,490
because I'm not a sport ball person I

1183
00:51:58,340 --> 00:51:55,470
don't know it's juniors club at

1184
00:52:01,340 --> 00:51:58,350
Kingsford and they're either a soccer

1185
00:52:04,250 --> 00:52:01,350
team a rugby team a league team or they

1186
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:04,260
could be lacrosse on an hour may not

1187
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:05,970
calm down a youth for all your answers

1188
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:08,700
hmm yeah when I walk in the orchard so

1189
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,300
what code do you people play make myself

1190
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:14,040
really popular but that's on New Year's

1191
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:15,540
Eve and and that's a big eighties night

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00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,740
too

1193
00:52:20,420 --> 00:52:19,020
it's got the drama from 1927 he has a

1194
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:20,430
little band called Electric Avenue and

1195
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:21,750
80s band that he puts together for

1196
00:52:25,310 --> 00:52:23,370
special events and that's on New Year's

1197
00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:25,320
Eve there hey you know what I don't get

1198
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,830
a New Year's Eve this year I'm gonna be

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00:52:34,850 --> 00:52:30,960
flying back from San Francisco leaving

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00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:34,860
on the last the second last day of the

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00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:37,560
year because of the time zones I fly

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00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:40,350
straight into the first day of next year

1203
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:42,330
I miss a day somewhere along the way

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00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:44,490
well it's a bit weird I know it's a bit

1205
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:45,840
weird that's pretty special

1206
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:47,910
well thank everyone for listening and

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00:52:53,570 --> 00:52:50,340
it's been a great year here you know I

1208
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,580
certainly didn't uncover any unknown

1209
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:55,200
truths about anything you might have

1210
00:52:59,060 --> 00:52:57,000
Richard but this year all all I've done

1211
00:53:02,240 --> 00:52:59,070
is I've just added to the morass of

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00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:02,250
confusion that is the world today and as

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00:53:06,590 --> 00:53:03,660
I like to say at this time of the year

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00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:06,600
Santa Santa Santa

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:33,340
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:53:37,540 --> 00:53:35,390
zone now in the coming weeks I hope to

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00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:37,550
bring you interviews with oh I might

1220
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:40,040
even bring you an interview with Eugenie

1221
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:42,470
Scott who I can visit while I'm here in

1222
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:45,020
California and I hope to get over to the

1223
00:53:50,290 --> 00:53:47,140
National Center for Science education

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00:53:55,090 --> 00:53:50,300
always worth a visit over in in Oakland

1225
00:53:59,470 --> 00:53:55,100
and I have been informed that the Surf

1226
00:54:01,690 --> 00:53:59,480
Coast summer skeptic camp 7 Australia's

1227
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:01,700
longest-running the skeptic camp is

1228
00:54:10,140 --> 00:54:05,350
coming up again and this will be on the

1229
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:10,150
23rd of February 2019 at 10:00 a.m.

1230
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:13,070
Surf Coast summer skeptic camp in

1231
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:15,530
Victoria I must I must see if I can get

1232
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:18,260
along to that one year maybe even maybe

1233
00:54:22,510 --> 00:54:20,930
even this one who knows that sounds like

1234
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:22,520
a fascinating day I've heard good things

1235
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:25,370
about these Surf Coast summer skeptic

1236
00:54:30,910 --> 00:54:28,310
camp now the location for the skeptic

1237
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:30,920
amp is aireys inlet community center on

1238
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:34,280
the great ocean road kicking off at 10

1239
00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:37,130
a.m. Saturday the 23rd of February 2019

1240
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:39,230
for details and tickets check out the

1241
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:43,850
Eventbrite website and search for surf

1242
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,970
coast summer skeptic camp and I'll put a

1243
00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:49,040
link in this week's show notes but for

1244
00:54:54,010 --> 00:54:51,110
this week what will I do today oh I

1245
00:54:58,060 --> 00:54:54,020
might go down downtown San Francisco

1246
00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:58,070
down to the the piers and there see if

1247
00:55:03,700 --> 00:55:01,670
the sea lions are in residence and then

1248
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:03,710
have my favorite of all time

1249
00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:07,610
a bowl of clam chowder which is the the

1250
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:10,340
one in the sourdough bread the bowl

1251
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:12,230
itself is made out of sourdough so you

1252
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:13,610
eat the clam chowder then you eat the

1253
00:55:19,930 --> 00:55:16,970
ball and a glass of root beer and are we

1254
00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:19,940
pretty happy and until next week this is

1255
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:21,950
Richard Saunders signing off from the

1256
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:29,420
you've been listening to the skeptic

1257
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:33,140
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00:55:40,819 --> 00:55:38,130
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1266
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